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Camille Paglia's grandstanding narcissism

Camille Paglia's latest interview in Salon must be consumed in its entirety to appreciate the title of this post.

At one point, she characterizes Maureen Dowd as "that catty, third-rate, wannabe sorority queen." I can't read that without a chuckle, because Camille Paglia is Maureen Dowd gone to grad school.

I mean that with all its positive and negative implications. Paglia's rants are riveting when she talks about celebrity. When she talks about politics the first two adjectives that come to mind are "inane" and "dyspeptic."

Oh, and here's her take on blogs:

The Web has also dealt a fatal blow to the culture of stardom because isolated types can now instantly express and exhibit their conflicts and find fellow sufferers around the world through the Web. But e-mail is evanescent. And the blog form is, in my view, the decadence of the Web. I don't see blogs as a new frontier but as a falling backwards into word-centric print journalism -- words, words, words!....

Blog reading for me is like going down to the cellar amid shelves and shelves of musty books that you're condemned to turn the pages of. Bad prose, endless reams of bad prose! There's a lack of discipline, a feeling that anything that crosses one's mind is important or interesting to others. People say that the best part about writing a blog is that there's no editing -- it's free speech without institutional control. Well, sure, but writing isn't masturbation -- you've got to self-edit.

Now and then one sees the claim that Kausfiles was the first blog. I beg to differ: I happen to feel that my Salon column was the first true blog. My columns had punch and on-rushing velocity. They weren't this dreary meta-commentary, where there's a blizzard of fussy, detached sections nattering on obscurely about other bloggers or media moguls and Washington bureaucrats. I took hits at media excesses, but I directly commented on major issues and personalities in politics and pop culture.

If bloggers want to break out of their ghetto, they've got to acquire a sense of drama and theater as well as a flair for language. Why else should anyone read them? And the Web in my view is a visual medium -- I don't log on to be trapped on a muddy page crammed with indigestible prose....

No major figure has emerged yet from the blogs -- Andrew Sullivan was already an established writer before he started his. A blog should sound conversational and be an antidote to the inept writing in most of today's glossy magazines. (emphasis added)

It is truly breathtaking to see someone take down the genre she claims to have invented. Paglia joins Darrell Hammond as the only people to successfully mimic Al Gore. Or, to use the pungent prose Paglia prefers:

[W]ho needs to be desirable to others when you've got a big fat love affair with yourself to tend to.... Maybe that wasn't writing as masturbation, but I think it at least qualifies as a dry hump.

Heh.

UPDATE: Mickey Kaus and Andrew Sullivan offer their takes on the Paglia interview.

posted by Dan on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM




Comments:

If Camille Paglia's interview was replaced by a parody of a Camille Paglia interview, would there be any possible way to tell?

posted by: Ted Barlow on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM [permalink]



The Al Gore crack is beneath you. This "Gore says he invented the Internet" stuff has long been exposed as a media fabricaton. See http://commons.somewhere.com/rre/2000/RRE.Al.Gore.and.the.Inte.html
and

http://www.sethf.com/gore/

and all over
The Daily Howler

posted by: Michael Froomkin on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM [permalink]



Camille Paglia's latest interview in Salon must be consumed in its entirety to appreciate the title of this post.

Sorry to disagree with you again, Dan, but I hardly see that it's necessary to read the whole damn thing to get the point.

If you had said "Long Winded Grandstanding Narcissism" I'd have to go along, but one only need a small sample to appreciate the grandstanding and the narcissism.

posted by: uh_clem on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM [permalink]



Jeez, anyone with half a brain (i.e. not Camille) knows that Jerry Pournelle had the first blog.

posted by: Susan Paxton on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM [permalink]



Still flogging that "Gore humor," eh, Dan? Let's just hope no one starts doing the same thing to you.

posted by: Cervantes on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM [permalink]



When two women decide to go at it, a wise man finds someplace else that he has a pressing engagement. Never get between two women who decide to throw down, I'd rather face a fascist dictator for breakfast and a terroist mastermind for dinner than do that.

posted by: Oldman on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM [permalink]



Oldman: I'd rather face a fascist dictator for breakfast and a terroist mastermind for dinner than do that.

You'd be right at home at my place.

posted by: Cervantes on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM [permalink]



Cervantes,

The nature of your comment was unclear. Are you saying that you don't have such a problem, or that my solution would help me to fit in at your place, or maybe that the fascist dictator at breakfast and the terroist mastermind at dinner *are* the two women involved in a battle of wills? In my household growing up, my mother would have filled the former role and my sister the latter. It seems to be a problem I'm doomed to repeat since one of my moral faults is that I have this bad tendency to fall in love with more than one woman at once.

Perplexed,

The Oldman

posted by: Oldman on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM [permalink]



Oldman: It was a bitter, bitter joke. (Does that help?)

Was just making fun of my own domestic situation, that's all. No complications of the kind you allude to. The "fascist dictator at breakfast" is the one I love and grow old with -- She Who Must Be Obeyed -- and the "terrorist mastermind at dinner" is the last of our sharper-than-a-serpent's-tooth spawn.

You'd said that rather than get in between two warring women, you'd rather face a dictator and a terrorist. I was just observing that this could easily be arranged.

All in all, a completely self-indulgent aside. Sorry to have raised your hopes up (if I did).

posted by: Cervantes on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM [permalink]



Agree or disagree this woman has refreshing, irritating and original ideas. I'd rather spend a month of Sundays hearing her eclectic,rambling take on current events than 30 seconds with Hannity , Charlie Rose or Bill Oreilly.

There are a lot of boastful, obnoxious posters in blog nation but if 1% of them brought the ranging intellect and scope that she brings blogging would be a lot more legimate form in my eyes.

posted by: rcman on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM [permalink]



I'd rather spend a month of Sundays hearing [CP's] eclectic, rambling take on current events than 30 seconds with Hannity, Charlie Rose or Bill Oreilly.

So would I -- but thankfully, those aren't the only alternatives.

posted by: Cervantes on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM [permalink]



Cervantes,

You seem a right sensible fellow, and I salute you for your trials. Women do get bossy or insistent sometimes don't they? Don't worry, you got plenty of company throughout the masculineverse in your troubles. Sounds like at least you are enjoying it, in a resigned sort of way at least. ;-)

posted by: Oldman on 10.30.03 at 12:03 AM [permalink]






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