Tuesday, July 13, 2004

previous entry | main | next entry | TrackBack (2)


What do baseball players think?

The Chicago Tribune and other Tribune papers conducted a survey of baseball players on a variety of baseball-related questions. The response rate was quite high -- 475 of 750 players (63%) responded. Most of the results are thoroughly unsurprising (Wrigley Field is the best ballpark; Barry Bonds is the best baseball player). However, I was pleasantly surprised by two findings:

An overwhelming majority of respondents—399—believe major-league players have a responsibility to be role models.

"As a player you get watched by a lot of kids, a lot of people," Houston center fielder Carlos Beltran said. "And when you're a good player, you have a lot of responsibility, you've got to do things right, in God's eyes and everybody's eyes, because people are looking at you, kids are looking at you."....

Players were almost as strongly united in their feelings about having a gay teammate, with better than 74 percent saying it would not be a problem.

"I had one, Billy Bean, and I didn't have a problem with it," Texas pitcher Doug Brocail said.

"Not at all. I've probably had one already," said Willie Harris of the White Sox. (emphasis added)

The tolerance for a gay teammate was particularly surprising, because the common media perception is that there is massive amounts of homophobia in professional sports -- click here for an Associated Press story from last week, and here and here for other examples. This survey suggests, at a minimum, that this is not true of baseball.

[What if the ballplayers were lying to appear politically correct?--ed. Well, you automatically run into that problem with public opinion surveys about touchy social issues, and that's an important caveat. That said, the survey also showed that only a third of the respondents said that steroid abuse was a problem in baseball. If image-conscious ballplayers were really trying to give answers that please media folks, that response should have been inflated as well.]

UPDATE: While I'm posting about baseball, Red Sox fans everywhere will have a good, rueful laugh at this Seth Stevenson rant about Roger Clemens over at Slate.

posted by Dan on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM




Comments:

Billy Bean is gay? I had no idea. Of course, the obvious joke among football and hockey players is that they'd already assumed that 74% of baseball players already were gay...

posted by: Independent George on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]



It's not the Billy Bean you are thinking of-the GM of the A's. This was another Billy Bean that played I think in the 80s.

I'm also very surprised at that survey and hope that it's true. Of course, a lot of players could be uncomfortable about having to undress in front of a gay player without being actively hostile.

posted by: MWS on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]



I don't know. Does that mean 26% do have a problem with it? If 26% of the general population were homophobic I would call it intolerant.

posted by: Mike on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]



Not everybody in Major League Baseball is as enlightened:

http://www.southernvoice.com/2004/7-9/news/localnews/smoltz.cfm

posted by: Appalled Moderate on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]



MWS - thanks for clarifying. They probably should have mentioned that in the article - since the A's GM is pretty well-known, I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one who made that mistake.

I wonder what Charles Barkley thinks?

posted by: Independent George on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]



The results of this survey are only a surprise to those who have bought the notion that opposition to the gay agenda only comes from "homophobia".

Most of us on the right are more than willing to "live and let live" when it comes to gays. What we object to are:
a) radical changes to fundamental institutions imposed by the judiciary.
b) defining homosexuality as a protected class under civil rights law, with all the restrictions that brings on what should be considered private behavior.
c) hate crimes laws which can be construed to inhibit any frank discussion of the downsides of homosexual behavior, much less traditional Christian teaching.

posted by: Hunter McDaniel on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]



Billy Beane is the GM of the Oakland A's, whereas Billy Bean was the "Gay Baseball Player."

posted by: Joel W on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]



Don't know that I follow your last point, Dan. Ballplayers don't get into trouble with the sports media if they say steroid abuse is not a problem because most reporters don't care about steroids. Fans, sadly, don't care much either. Ballplayers have gotten into trouble for anti-gay comments because most sports reporters -- like most reporters generally -- are far to the left of mainstream opinion on anything to do with sex.

All the evidence suggests that for professional athletes, drugs are a much bigger issue than other athletes' sexual orientation because of the impact drugs can have on the field. Reporters don't like to cover stories about drugs until someone dies; it's difficult and risks jeopardizing relations with all those athletes who don't think drugs in sports are a problem. Writing columns about "bigotry," by contrast, is easy.

posted by: Zathras on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]



Zathras,

Marion Jones? Barry Bonds? Mark McGwire? Lance Armstrong? The list of names followed by question marks could continue, but I'm pretty sure reporters do cover stories about drugs whether or not somebody dies.

Further, if people in the media thought that homophobia was rampant in sports, they would risk relationships with players if they wrote about the bigotry associated with the players views on gay players.

Do you know that sports reporters are a representative subset of the media as a whole? Maybe sports reporters tend to be more homophobic than the media in general (a reasonable assumption if you thought the sports world tended to be more homophobic than the general population).

Frankly, ballplayers like Todd Jones and John Rocker have gotten in to trouble because what they said was insensitive, or at least not well thought out. Given that readership can be assumed to be 50% anti-gay marriage for example, what makes writing about bigotry easy? Almost all fans agree that steroids are bad for baseball (although, they might not care about changing it), but not all fans agree on homsosexuality. Wouldn't that make writing about steroids easier?

posted by: Joel W on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]



There are fewer thugs in baseball than in many other sports, perhaps explaining the role model thing. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing players with gang tats or (extensive) bling-bling. There are more thugs in football and, of course, the NBA is thug-o-mania.

Also, Mike Piazza is still not gay.

posted by: The Lonewacko Blog on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]



It's easy to confuse Bean and Beane because they were both mediocre/marginal/journeyman outfielders in the 80s. Beane is the one who was a high Mets draft pick, which is how I kept them straight (so to speak) before Bean "came out" and Beane became a celebrity GM.

That third saying steroids are not a problem could be lying to downplay the issue (remember, a finding that lots of players thought it was a problem would be used against the Players Union at the bargaining table). But it's noteworthy at a minimum that 3/4 of the players would at least feel the need, in an anonymous survey, to say they'd be fine with a gay teammate.

posted by: Crank on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]



Nobody who has ever been in a MLB clubhouse after a game (or even before) would think that these players would be uncomfortable undressing in front of a gay player. Most players have dressed or undressed in front of dozens of random media persons for years.

Also it is common knowledge around baseball that there are many gay players and some have addressed it with their teammates. However, if you look at what happened to the KC first base coach a few years ago, when 2 individuals attacked him from the stands, you will understand how unprotected a baseball player is when on the field and why nobody has come out.

posted by: Rob M on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]



I am a baseball player and I hate Homosexuals

posted by: Bucky Jacobson on 07.13.04 at 10:35 AM [permalink]






Post a Comment:

Name:


Email Address:


URL:




Comments:


Remember your info?





Politics, economics, globalization, academia, pop culture... all from a untenured tenured perspective

Main home page
Main blog page
About Me
Search My Blog
Favorite Blogs
Book Recommendations
Books of the Month (Summer 2008)






Reviews of DanielDrezner.com:

"Sharp but informal commentary on politics and foreign policy." -- The New Republic

"Dan Drezner is terrific.... Excellent blog." -- Andrew Sullivan

"Dan's stuff is always worth reading." -- Eugene Volokh

"One of the essential weblogs." -- Gawker.com

"Old battle horse of the blogosphere." -- Jewcy.com

"Soft porn." -- Amitai Etzioni

"Spawned grave atrocities and vast destruction." -- Glenn Greenwald

"Monday morning quarterback... conservative robot... the very foundation of troubles in this country." -- not-so-random readers


Contact me at:
ddrezner@gmail.com
(But click here to read my e-mail policy)









Search the Site


Try advanced site search









Favorite Blogs

TNR's Open University
Jacob Levy
Glenn Reynolds
Andrew Sullivan
Mickey Kaus
Virginia Postrel
The Volokh Conspiracy
Josh Marshall
Crooked Timber
OxBlog
Real Clear Politics
Kevin Drum
Across the Aisle
Economist's Free Exchange
TNR's The Plank
NRO's The Corner
TAP's Tapped
America Abroad
Duck of Minerva
Opinio Juris
Brad DeLong

Jeff Jarvis
Mystery Pollster
Mark Kleiman
Meryl Yourish
Megan McArdle
Marginal Revolution
Michael Munger
Chris Lawrence
Matthew Yglesias
Hit and Run
Cold Spring Shops
Stephen Green
Outside the Beltway
Pejman Yousefzadeh
Laura McKenna (11D)
Elected Swineherd
Phil Carter
Joe Gandelman
Winds of Change
Andrew Samwick
Greg Mankiw
Dani Rodrik
Roger L. Simon
Tom Maguire
Greg Djerejian
The American Scene
Post Global
Democracy Arsenal




Recent articles online

"Foreign Policy Goes Glam."
The National Interest, November/December 2007

"Rise of the Hipster Statesmen."
Newsweek International, November 1, 2007

"The New New World Order."
Foreign Affairs, March/April 2007

"Mind the Gap."
The National Interest, January/February 2007

"The Grandest Strategy Of Them All."
Washington Post, December 17, 2006

U.S. Trade Strategy: Free Versus Fair
Council on Foreign Relations Press, September 2006.

Complete online article archive




Blog Archives

June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004
May 2004
April 2004
March 2004
February 2004
January 2004
December 2003
November 2003
October 2003
September 2003
August 2003
July 2003
June 2003
May 2003
April 2003
March 2003
February 2003
January 2003
December 2002
November 2002
October 2002
September 2002

Academia
Area studies
Book club
culture
economics
fence-sitting
from Blogger
globalization
homeland security
international relations
law
Mediasphere
My very important posts
New Republic
outsourcing
personal
politics
Sports
The blog paper
the blogosphere
thesis ideas
Trade and Development
U.S. foreign policy
website maintenance

See full archives listing




Recent Entries

Someone keep Fleet Street away from Bill Clinton
It rivals Buckley vs. Vidal, I tell you
So.... are the Clintons morons?
The New York Times didn't ask me, but then again, that's why I have this blog
Monica Crowley's jet black pot
Al Qaeda is losing
Speaking of karma....
The blog post that writes itself
What made me laugh today
Where should Hillary go?




Site Credits