Saturday, May 14, 2005

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Good Walls Make Good Neighbors?


I am resorting to double-entry blogkeeping but, hey, its the weekend . . .

Over at DA we've been taking note of what seems to be deteriorating U.S. relations with and influence among Latin and South America.

The latest is that Congress has now passed restrictive immigration legislation that would prevent illegal Mexican migrants from obtaining US drivers' licenses and authorize the construction of a wall on the US-Mexican border. The Mexicans are irate. The law wasn't Bush's idea but he evidently got behind it after seeing which way the winds were blowing in Congress. The measure would not have passed had Bush made more progress toward the guest worker program he has long been promising Vicente Fox.

So this is what happens to the U.S.'s "good neighbor and friend"; the country tapped as the first beneficiary of Condi Rice's goodwill offensive after entering office earlier this year. The move comes less than two months after Bush, Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin announced a new era of cooperation in North America.

Speaking of the hemisphere, Democrats are saying CAFTA, we don't hafta, and we won't. The question is whether they will come forward with a viable plan to address the troubling workers' rights, environmental, and poverty-related issues that CAFTA and like agreements raise, so that we won't be stuck on the wrong side of the free trade issue for long. This issue is on a homework assignment for progressives that I wrote up some weeks ago and we ought to get to it.

One additional note:

The border issues are shaping up to be a centerpiece of the upcoming Mexican election, which means that anti-US sentiment could well be a rallying cry, leading to policies that will push Mexico away from the US and closer to Brazil, Venezuela and its other South American neighbors. Such a shift may appear not to be in Mexico's self-interest, but that doesn't mean political winds won't push in that direciton anyway.


posted by on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM




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The latest is that Congress has now passed restrictive immigration legislation that would prevent illegal Mexican migrants from obtaining US drivers' licenses and authorize the construction of a wall on the US-Mexican border.

It's about effing time. Why should we be letting illegal immigrants have driver's licenses? Why not build a wall to try to keep people from breaking the law?

posted by: rosignol on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



Are Nicaraguans illegally in Mexico allowed to get drivers licenses? Is not Mexico's army stationed on their southern border? Who cares what they think.

posted by: Mark Buehner on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



...and why would Democrats oppose Cafta before they have a better option? Ideology?

posted by: Jack on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



I copied this from your homework assignment:

" 2. Trade. We’ve begun to discuss here and here, and we all seem to agree that policy is stalled. Tom Friedman’s new book describes what we are up against, essentially tens of thousands of Indian programmers and call center entrepreneurs who are a lot hungrier than we are. The new issue of Foreign Affairs reports that we’ve slipped to 13th in the global ranking for Internet Development, an area that helped us survive the last big economic dislocation a decade ago. The direction needed (new engines for job growth, much broader and better supported retraining and restructuring initiatives, realistic labor and environmetnal standards, etc.) is obvious though the details will be devilish. Unions will need to get involved or their fears of irrelevancy will become reality. I read this short piece by Gene Sperling on the topic a while ago and still like it."

Perhaps you should add to the assignment: "Say something good about trade." No mainstream political party can have an economic platform based on the concept that trade is no more than a drain on jobs. Democrats could go back to Clinton for inspiration here.

posted by: Jack on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



The "upcoming Mexican election" link is slightly bad; it should point to http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=9ea3bb77289415ff707f22f4defd8606 .

posted by: Nathan Sharfi on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



in your piece at Democracy Arsenal you argue for an overarcing umbrella strategy. How bout Thomas PM Barnett's strategy? He's a Democrat, author of The Pentagon's New Map. He argues in favor of democracy and free trade and the joining together of global democracies to fight disconnectedness. You know his work? Plus we could have him campaign for us, giving his briefing at VFW halls and college campuses in different states and districts. Read his web log at www.thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog

posted by: jared bailey on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



So we are supposed to void the laws of the US to make the President of Mexico happy? Not!

Bush had better be careful; his bootlicking of the Mexican President isn't playing well among working Americans.

If the Democrats were not braindead political correctness freaks they could take major advantage of the immigration issue.

posted by: save_the_rustbelt on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



I'm about as left wing as they come, but even I don't object to denying drivers licenses to illegal immigrants, and building a war to secure out border. I only wish that Congress would attack the real cause of illegal immigration --- the willingness of employers to hire undocumented people to save a buck. Make the penalties stiffer for employing illegals, and put an effort into finding those who employ illegals and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law!

posted by: p.lukasiak on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



Illegal Alien Ambushes Two Denver Cops - 1 Dead

Leaves Widow and Two Young Children

May 10, 2005

see http://www.denverpost.com for updates

"Illegal" means "illegal" - period

posted by: save_the_rustbelt on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



Have to agree with Lukasiak. There might have been an argument in the 1950s and 1960s that the United States had a duty to help Mexico with its economic problems, and turning a blind eye to illegal (note well the "illegal" part) immigration was a way to do that.

That was before the government of Mexico pissed away about 1/2 trillion dollars in oil money, and the citizens of Mexico allowed that to happen. Why exactly is that the problem of the citizens of the United States?

If you think there should be no border enforcement and no wall, the solution is simple: pass a law that says so. In the US Congress, with full debate. Oh - you don't want to do that? Why not?

Cranky

posted by: Cranky Observer on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



I'm a bit surprised by this post. I get the feeling the author hasn't really been following along with the "immigration debate." Nossel also seems to think that Bush has the best interests of the U.S. at heart, that somehow Vicente "jobs that not even blacks want to do" Fox is someone we should do anything other than try to deal with at arm's length, etc. etc.

See my eight immigration categories for mucho mas.

posted by: The Lonewacko Blog on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]




One thing that I notice is that we could do something big that would satisfy everyone (or no one):

1. Big penalties for employer of illegal immigrants. 2. Tripling immigration enforcement ability, deporting as fast as we can, etc. 3. Big wall 4. Financial incentives for Mexico for modernize.

I think the reason why Canadians don't illegally immigrate but Mexicans (and others in Latin America) do is the differential in quality of life, wages, etc. If we were to both increase our ICE abilities and help their economies modernize, we may be able to raise their living standards.

Passing it through Congress and finding money for this program is left as an exercise for the reader. ;-)

posted by: Klug on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



How is Chinese outrage at our failure to build a bridge across the Pacific fairing?

posted by: Dylan on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



How dare Congress try to enforce our laws!

posted by: Polybius on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]






New Page 1

The truth is, I think everyone is right.


posted by: name on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



All of you, who think this rocks, should think what the National ID infrastructure means when Democrats control it.

Don't say it won't happen.

Want a job? Swipe the card. Mr. government says.

posted by: blarg on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



Wow, and I thought that all the DD devotees were 'invade the world, invite the world' (Steve Sailor) types, like the 'conservatives' at National Review Online. Glad to see you all breaking with neo-con/neolib doctrine.

posted by: Mitchell Young on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



Bush had better be careful; his bootlicking of the Mexican President isn't playing well among working Americans.


...or middle-class Americans, either. My mom is a NPR-listening, Emily's-list voting, habitually leftie child of the 60s... and on this one issue, she is to the right of Pat Buchanan.

Most Republicans support Bush despite his position on this issue, not because of it. Once those other issues are resolved, well...


If the Democrats were not braindead political correctness freaks they could take major advantage of the immigration issue.
-save_the_rustbelt


Never going to happen. Democratic strategists think the children of illegal immigrants grow up to vote Democrat.


I'm about as left wing as they come, but even I don't object to denying drivers licenses to illegal immigrants, and building a war to secure out border....
-p.lukasiak

Freudian slip? ;-)

(emphasis added, of course)

posted by: rosignol on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



When we allowed the Social Security number to become a universal identifier the whole debate on a national identification card became sort of moot.

Different times, different circumstances, we might as well take the next step and get on with it.

I can think of about 12 million reasons.

Tom

posted by: save_the_rustbelt on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



When Cranky, Lukasiak, Buehner, and me agree on something... that's saying something.

Enforce our laws.

posted by: Cutler on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]



dsafd

posted by: google排名 on 05.14.05 at 10:16 AM [permalink]






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