Wednesday, March 7, 2007

previous entry | main | next entry | TrackBack (0)


Dealing with the hysterics and the humorless

Let's surf the net to see if anyone's saying something about me that's worth repeating.

Hmmm....well, this person really didn't like my "New New World Order" essay:

Since I am about as far away as any intelligent and rational American can get from the politics of any proposals for a "new world order," let alone a new new world order, my attention was drawn to a " New New World Order" article (my emphasis on "New New"). After reading it, my suspicions about where our local, state and federal politicians are trying to take us was confirmed. That is, We The People of the United States of America appear to be destined -- by our own political leaders, as well as other power-and-money-seeking political leaders of nations throughout the world -- to be a part of their dictatorial grand scheme, i.e., We The People would no longer be living in an independent, sovereign nation under a Constitutional Federal Republic.
You know, you can accuse George W. Bush of a lot of things, but surrendering American sovereignty to some supranational order is not one of them.

UPDATE: Another negative reaction to "Drezler's article" can be found here.

Meanwhile, Amitai Etzioni is upset about how I characterized his organ donation scheme:

I am sorry to see that Mr. Drezner finds this issue a source of “amusement.” Thousands of people die each year needlessly and many more suffered a great deal, because not enough organs are donated, and because the market has been allowed to intrude into the ways they are allocated. (For instance there is a shortage of donated skin for burn victims because skin is sold to plastic surgeons who pay a high fee to use it to make the hyper rich look younger). One person’s donations can improve the life of twenty others, if on death organs are made available....

Sadly I fear that we here face the business model of blogging. Some bloggers sell stuff, anything from diapers to baseball cards to soft porn (in Drezner’s case). In order to make money they have to bring buyers to their sites. And those bloggers that succeed in kicking up a fuss, seem to draw a much larger crowd than the reasoned ones, that is make much more money. Is there some other way to finance blogging? Do we need a NPR and PBS for blogging, to ensure civil dialogue?

OK, for the record, I do take the question of organ donation seriously -- which is why I will refer to I thoughtful posts by Kieran Healy and Virginia Postrel on the matter (and click here for why I don't think harangues work all that well on the American psyche).

Amitai Etzioni attacking bloggers for self-promotion? As someone who has been on the receiving end of a steady, unremitting barrage of Etzioni press releases, brochures about Etzioni, and actual Etzioni publications, no, I'm afraid I can't take that criticism seriously at all.

[What about the soft porn allegations?--ed. I can only assume that Professor Etzioni read this post from a few years ago. Repeatedly.]

posted by Dan on 03.07.07 at 10:56 PM




Comments:

At least we spelled his name right, which is more Etzioni did for Kieran Healy.

posted by: Virginia Postrel on 03.07.07 at 10:56 PM [permalink]



I don't think the first comment was saying that the government of the USA does not have sovereignty in world affairs, but that the people don't have sovereignty over their own government. And this is very true. Just on the basis of it, it is quite silly to consider 1 vote every 2, 4 and 6 years is enough to represent the views we all have on the thousands of issues that affect our lives. Yet, on this basis we call ourselves a "democracy." At to that the imperial nature of our government (executive, congress and the courts), and the lack on respect they have for the citizens (why should they respect us, we let them get away with everything!) and it is totally true what the comment said.

Maybe we need citizen councils like Libya has? or some other way for people to be empowered more then through one vote every couple years. Because this system we have is not enough, and is especially representative of power, not the people...

posted by: tom on 03.07.07 at 10:56 PM [permalink]



"tom"--that's because our governmental system is a Republic, not a direct Athenian-style democracy. If you have issues with that, please take it to the Supreme Court and have the constitution thrown out in order to satisfy your own twisted desires.

Drezner, I looked all over your website and couldn't find ANY soft porn for sale, so what is that guy talking about?

posted by: Useless Sam Grantn on 03.07.07 at 10:56 PM [permalink]



What about the "soft porn" comment? You just going to let that slide? Don't sully the Drezner name man. Have some pride.

posted by: Jay on 03.07.07 at 10:56 PM [permalink]



I agree; if we're gonna have soft porn, then well, let's have some soft porn! (none of that hard stuff, please.)

posted by: Klug on 03.07.07 at 10:56 PM [permalink]



You know, you can accuse George W. Bush of a lot of things, but surrendering American sovereignty to some supranational order is not one of them.

Certainly on issues of immigration, border security (see the North American Security Union or some such) and perhaps even trade he is willing to give up elements of sovereignity -- whether to appease the US Chamber of Commerce or internal organizations is another question.

As to the poster's comment, I don't know that she is actually commenting on the piece at hand. However the overall point is correct -- elites do see any sort of locally derived public policy which might interfere with 'the Market' as a threat to be stamped out. From local control over demographics (e.g. immigration restriction) , to perserving agricultural land (e.g. farm subsidies ) , to pollution controls, 'Washington Consensus' types really really fear policy choices made by local majorities. There are of course good reasons for that, the more extensive a polity the more control is in the hands of the self-interested and those who have time and means to access info.

posted by: Mitchell Young on 03.07.07 at 10:56 PM [permalink]



What is that you say? No soft porn to be found. We'll then perhaps the good professor would be so kind as to provide a few more Selma Hayek pics.

But the rest seems like little more than sour grapes. And how foolish of Etizioni to decry the less than civil dialogue (in his opinion) and in the next paragraph participate in exactly that?!

One academic got his idea rejected by another and now feels compelled to retaliate on a much lower level.

posted by: Phocion on 03.07.07 at 10:56 PM [permalink]






Post a Comment:

Name:


Email Address:


URL:




Comments:


Remember your info?





Politics, economics, globalization, academia, pop culture... all from a untenured tenured perspective

Main home page
Main blog page
About Me
Search My Blog
Favorite Blogs
Book Recommendations
Books of the Month (Summer 2008)






Reviews of DanielDrezner.com:

"Sharp but informal commentary on politics and foreign policy." -- The New Republic

"Dan Drezner is terrific.... Excellent blog." -- Andrew Sullivan

"Dan's stuff is always worth reading." -- Eugene Volokh

"One of the essential weblogs." -- Gawker.com

"Old battle horse of the blogosphere." -- Jewcy.com

"Soft porn." -- Amitai Etzioni

"Spawned grave atrocities and vast destruction." -- Glenn Greenwald

"Monday morning quarterback... conservative robot... the very foundation of troubles in this country." -- not-so-random readers


Contact me at:
ddrezner@gmail.com
(But click here to read my e-mail policy)









Search the Site


Try advanced site search









Favorite Blogs

TNR's Open University
Jacob Levy
Glenn Reynolds
Andrew Sullivan
Mickey Kaus
Virginia Postrel
The Volokh Conspiracy
Josh Marshall
Crooked Timber
OxBlog
Real Clear Politics
Kevin Drum
Across the Aisle
Economist's Free Exchange
TNR's The Plank
NRO's The Corner
TAP's Tapped
America Abroad
Duck of Minerva
Opinio Juris
Brad DeLong

Jeff Jarvis
Mystery Pollster
Mark Kleiman
Meryl Yourish
Megan McArdle
Marginal Revolution
Michael Munger
Chris Lawrence
Matthew Yglesias
Hit and Run
Cold Spring Shops
Stephen Green
Outside the Beltway
Pejman Yousefzadeh
Laura McKenna (11D)
Elected Swineherd
Phil Carter
Joe Gandelman
Winds of Change
Andrew Samwick
Greg Mankiw
Dani Rodrik
Roger L. Simon
Tom Maguire
Greg Djerejian
The American Scene
Post Global
Democracy Arsenal




Recent articles online

"Foreign Policy Goes Glam."
The National Interest, November/December 2007

"Rise of the Hipster Statesmen."
Newsweek International, November 1, 2007

"The New New World Order."
Foreign Affairs, March/April 2007

"Mind the Gap."
The National Interest, January/February 2007

"The Grandest Strategy Of Them All."
Washington Post, December 17, 2006

U.S. Trade Strategy: Free Versus Fair
Council on Foreign Relations Press, September 2006.

Complete online article archive




Blog Archives

June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004
May 2004
April 2004
March 2004
February 2004
January 2004
December 2003
November 2003
October 2003
September 2003
August 2003
July 2003
June 2003
May 2003
April 2003
March 2003
February 2003
January 2003
December 2002
November 2002
October 2002
September 2002

Academia
Area studies
Book club
culture
economics
fence-sitting
from Blogger
globalization
homeland security
international relations
law
Mediasphere
My very important posts
New Republic
outsourcing
personal
politics
Sports
The blog paper
the blogosphere
thesis ideas
Trade and Development
U.S. foreign policy
website maintenance

See full archives listing




Recent Entries

Someone keep Fleet Street away from Bill Clinton
It rivals Buckley vs. Vidal, I tell you
So.... are the Clintons morons?
The New York Times didn't ask me, but then again, that's why I have this blog
Monica Crowley's jet black pot
Al Qaeda is losing
Speaking of karma....
The blog post that writes itself
What made me laugh today
Where should Hillary go?




Site Credits